Comments on: Where we’re headed with the Academy’s E-Learning ecosystem. http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/ Education. Technology. Productivity. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ed Cooperhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6312 Ed Cooper Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:54:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6312 Informative reading there. I've just got through sorting Google Apps for staff at my school and would love to be able to integrate SSO with Frog. Although I haven't used Frog much yet, I can't understand why you really need to use it when everything can basically be done in Google Apps for free. I will be working more closely with it soon, so any insight you have into ways to collaborate the 2 would be great. Informative reading there. I’ve just got through sorting Google Apps for staff at my school and would love to be able to integrate SSO with Frog. Although I haven’t used Frog much yet, I can’t understand why you really need to use it when everything can basically be done in Google Apps for free. I will be working more closely with it soon, so any insight you have into ways to collaborate the 2 would be great.

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6221 Doug Belshaw Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:33:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6221 Hi Dai, I think you're (understandably) conflating a system I've used before with that which I envision for the Academy. To my mind, the VLE is for the submission of finished work for 'marking'. I realise that this is kind of a 20th-century mindset, but baby steps... Once we've got that model sorted, *then* I may allow students to share documents outside of the 'nceastudents' domain. It's all about making one conceptual step at a time. Too much too soon will mean the VLE isn't used!:-o Hi Dai,

I think you’re (understandably) conflating a system I’ve used before with that which I envision for the Academy.

To my mind, the VLE is for the submission of finished work for ‘marking’. I realise that this is kind of a 20th-century mindset, but baby steps…

Once we’ve got that model sorted, *then* I may allow students to share documents outside of the ‘nceastudents’ domain.

It’s all about making one conceptual step at a time. Too much too soon will mean the VLE isn’t used!:-o

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6219 Anonymous Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:53:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6219 Doug, I'm not quite seeing this. If pupils collaborate, export and send via frog, then teacher receives, marks and comments (presume it does feedback) via frog but stores doc in GApps and then the docs are dead-end. If pupil amends their work it will be the third doc. If sent as PDF, comments cannot be written on doc w/o converting. Not sure if frog has send back amended file feature. In Moodle you have to upload separate docs but at least they are stored in the same place so you can see the latest version. It seems an odd or incomplete workflow model. I am still thinking about, or trying to find the time to think about, how to work GApps and Moodle together as key tools in our learning platform. We don't have GApps turned on for teachers and do not yet use Gmail and therefore functionality is somewhat restricted. However, my initial thoughts are using the share link in GDocs to paste into an online assignment which will allow collaboration with teacher and pupils (feedback via comments or footnotes), grading using Moodle gradebook, and a permanent track to the works timeline and progress - an electronic work folder if you like, maybe. However, all this is not tested yet.Not a frog user but assume it's functionality is not too distant (for better or worse) from moodle. Very important discussion. Doug, I’m not quite seeing this. If pupils collaborate, export and send via frog, then teacher receives, marks and comments (presume it does feedback) via frog but stores doc in GApps and then the docs are dead-end. If pupil amends their work it will be the third doc. If sent as PDF, comments cannot be written on doc w/o converting. Not sure if frog has send back amended file feature. In Moodle you have to upload separate docs but at least they are stored in the same place so you can see the latest version. It seems an odd or incomplete workflow model. I am still thinking about, or trying to find the time to think about, how to work GApps and Moodle together as key tools in our learning platform. We don’t have GApps turned on for teachers and do not yet use Gmail and therefore functionality is somewhat restricted. However, my initial thoughts are using the share link in GDocs to paste into an online assignment which will allow collaboration with teacher and pupils (feedback via comments or footnotes), grading using Moodle gradebook, and a permanent track to the works timeline and progress – an electronic work folder if you like, maybe. However, all this is not tested yet.Not a frog user but assume it’s functionality is not too distant (for better or worse) from moodle. Very important discussion.

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6156 Doug Belshaw Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:46:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6156 Hi Bob, The concept of 'whitelisting' certainly isn't my idea! See the relevant Wikipedia page, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitelist This means, of course, that you are free to use the idea however you like! Hi Bob,

The concept of ‘whitelisting’ certainly isn’t my idea! See the relevant Wikipedia page, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitelist

This means, of course, that you are free to use the idea however you like!

]]> By: robthillhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6153 robthill Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:32:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6153 Hi Doug I really like that idea of whitelisting miscreants. Can I borrow it, full credit given of course?? Hi Doug
I really like that idea of whitelisting miscreants. Can I borrow it, full credit given of course??

]]> By: Martin Kinghttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6145 Martin King Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:35:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6145 Hi Doug, I'm toying with the same dilemma - one domain or two. My main problem is with document/site sharing - staff (inc senior managers) sharing with everyone in domain and not being able to easily select just staff. We currently run 3 Microsoft AD domains - staff, students and a resource domain for shared resources between staff and students. I was hoping to simplify this with the single GOOG domain but I, like you, may be forced to run two domains - hopefully there will be a way to SAML between them. Ultimately I want to only run a staff domain and leave students to self provision resources. Keep posting - I'm interested to see how you get on Hi Doug,

I’m toying with the same dilemma – one domain or two.
My main problem is with document/site sharing – staff (inc senior managers) sharing with everyone in domain and not being able to easily select just staff.

We currently run 3 Microsoft AD domains – staff, students and a resource domain for shared resources between staff and students. I was hoping to simplify this with the single GOOG domain but I, like you, may be forced to run two domains – hopefully there will be a way to SAML between them.

Ultimately I want to only run a staff domain and leave students to self provision resources.

Keep posting – I’m interested to see how you get on

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6143 Anonymous Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:49:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6143 oh! That's a great idea. oh! That’s a great idea.

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6142 Doug Belshaw Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:44:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6142 Nope, meant what I said! Persistent offenders will be 'whitelisted'. That is to say they will only be allowed on specific sites relating to their studies and no others. :-) Nope, meant what I said! Persistent offenders will be ‘whitelisted’. That is to say they will only be allowed on specific sites relating to their studies and no others. :-)

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6141 Doug Belshaw Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:43:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6141 We were originally going with a single domain for staff and students. However, because features within Google Apps can't be turned on and off for groups of users we (I) decided to go down the two domain route. This means that initially students won't have Google Chat or Google Sites enabled. We were originally going with a single domain for staff and students. However, because features within Google Apps can’t be turned on and off for groups of users we (I) decided to go down the two domain route. This means that initially students won’t have Google Chat or Google Sites enabled.

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/10/14/where-were-headed-with-the-academys-e-learning-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-6139 Doug Belshaw Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:42:00 +0000 http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=3280#comment-6139 1. By 'productivity' software do you mean Microsoft Office? I'd beg to differ with that definition, but we'll still have it installed for the foreseeable future. 2. Frog are willing to work with us enabling SSO with Google Apps. It's also something the ICT Partner will be tasked with! 1. By ‘productivity’ software do you mean Microsoft Office? I’d beg to differ with that definition, but we’ll still have it installed for the foreseeable future.

2. Frog are willing to work with us enabling SSO with Google Apps. It’s also something the ICT Partner will be tasked with!

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