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> <channel><title>Comments on: A Week of Divesting: an introduction</title> <atom:link href="http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/</link> <description>Education. Technology. Productivity.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:57:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6017</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6017</guid> <description>Doug, your posts, and the comments, are really interesting and have made me re-think a lot of assumptions about possessions and &#039;stuff&#039;. I can&#039;t say that I&#039;ve come to any definite conclusions, but electricchalk&#039;s observations about states of mind certainly ring true.
The &#039;analogue time&#039; concept is well worth pursuing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, your posts, and the comments, are really interesting and have made me re-think a lot of assumptions about possessions and &#8216;stuff&#8217;. I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve come to any definite conclusions, but electricchalk&#8217;s observations about states of mind certainly ring true.</p><p>The &#8216;analogue time&#8217; concept is well worth pursuing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Belshaw</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6013</link> <dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6013</guid> <description>It&#039;s important to consciously build this into our routines, isn&#039;t it? That&#039;s something I&#039;ll be discussing in my post &#039;Analogue Time&#039; later this week. &#058;&#045;&#041;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to consciously build this into our routines, isn&#8217;t it? That&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll be discussing in my post &#8216;Analogue Time&#8217; later this week. &#058;&#045;&#041;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Belshaw</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6012</link> <dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6012</guid> <description>Again, this isn&#039;t financially motivated on my part, but your story is interesting. You believe whatever you&#039;re exposed to most, I suppose - unless you&#039;ve got a reason to kick agains the tide...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this isn&#8217;t financially motivated on my part, but your story is interesting. You believe whatever you&#8217;re exposed to most, I suppose &#8211; unless you&#8217;ve got a reason to kick agains the tide&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6010</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6010</guid> <description>I agree with your sentimant and from time to time... clear out my ipod, my podcasts, my reader, my emails... this works well for me... my de-clutter come to my life via my allotment and having &#039;electronic device free&#039; time with my kids... love it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your sentimant and from time to time&#8230; clear out my ipod, my podcasts, my reader, my emails&#8230; this works well for me&#8230; my de-clutter come to my life via my allotment and having &#8216;electronic device free&#8217; time with my kids&#8230; love it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6008</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6008</guid> <description>Had a interesting realisation on the way to work this morning along similar lines to your thoughts but in the other direction.
For the last few years we have been up against it with 2 kids in nursery, a big mortgage and other necessary outgoings meaning we have been breaking even every month but dreading an emergency that would really cause us problems.
Over this time, I&#039;ve been getting used to the idea of having no cash and assessing what things are really necessary - I&#039;ve had no new gadgets, very little social spending and to all intents and purposes stopped buying music (for me, very significant!).
Unsurprisingly the world has not caved in. We are not in penury and are as happy as a family as we have ever been.
This week, however, my daughter starts school which means we now have extra money each month not having to pay for child care. This morning I actually caught myself looking at other people&#039;s cars and getting a thrill out of thinking I might be able to afford that or that an iPhone might be a possibility.
It&#039;s alarmed me how quickly one state of mind has changed to another.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a interesting realisation on the way to work this morning along similar lines to your thoughts but in the other direction.</p><p>For the last few years we have been up against it with 2 kids in nursery, a big mortgage and other necessary outgoings meaning we have been breaking even every month but dreading an emergency that would really cause us problems.</p><p>Over this time, I&#8217;ve been getting used to the idea of having no cash and assessing what things are really necessary &#8211; I&#8217;ve had no new gadgets, very little social spending and to all intents and purposes stopped buying music (for me, very significant!).</p><p>Unsurprisingly the world has not caved in. We are not in penury and are as happy as a family as we have ever been.</p><p>This week, however, my daughter starts school which means we now have extra money each month not having to pay for child care. This morning I actually caught myself looking at other people&#8217;s cars and getting a thrill out of thinking I might be able to afford that or that an iPhone might be a possibility.</p><p>It&#8217;s alarmed me how quickly one state of mind has changed to another.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Belshaw</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6006</link> <dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6006</guid> <description>John, thanks for the comment, but I&#039;m not entirely sure I equate my desire to &#039;divest&#039; myself of unncecessary things with wanting to &#039;live in the moment&#039;.
What I *am* interested in this experiment is getting rid of unncessary things so I can concentrate on what&#039;s important in life. I think that&#039;s a slightly different focus that what you mention. It&#039;s a pragmatic focus on productivity rather than a philosophical stance. &#058;&#045;&#041; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for the comment, but I&#8217;m not entirely sure I equate my desire to &#8216;divest&#8217; myself of unncecessary things with wanting to &#8216;live in the moment&#8217;.</p><p>What I *am* interested in this experiment is getting rid of unncessary things so I can concentrate on what&#8217;s important in life. I think that&#8217;s a slightly different focus that what you mention. It&#8217;s a pragmatic focus on productivity rather than a philosophical stance. &#058;&#045;&#041;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Belshaw</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6005</link> <dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6005</guid> <description>&quot;...consumerism without the track record&quot; - that&#039;s an interesting and challenging thought! I realise that &#039;simplifying&#039; usually goes hand-in-hand with &#039;paying less&#039; and &#039;living more frugally&#039; but that&#039;s not what I mean by &#039;divesting&#039;.
I&#039;m more interested in having quality stuff that makes my life easier. Not hoards of stuff around just to remind me of events I can remember anyway! Perhaps when I grow more senile... &#059;&#045;&#041;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;consumerism without the track record&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s an interesting and challenging thought! I realise that &#8216;simplifying&#8217; usually goes hand-in-hand with &#8216;paying less&#8217; and &#8216;living more frugally&#8217; but that&#8217;s not what I mean by &#8216;divesting&#8217;.</p><p>I&#8217;m more interested in having quality stuff that makes my life easier. Not hoards of stuff around just to remind me of events I can remember anyway! Perhaps when I grow more senile&#8230; &#059;&#045;&#041;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Belshaw</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6004</link> <dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6004</guid> <description>Thanks Dave, would appreciate your input and reflections! &#058;&#045;&#041;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave, would appreciate your input and reflections! &#058;&#045;&#041;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6003</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6003</guid> <description>The dilemma is an interestingly familiar one: it&#039;s all to do with the battle to determine what is &#039;authentic existence&#039; and what is extraneous clutter that obscures the transcendent reality. One answer is to live in the moment - it&#039;s something that Satish Kumar (who may well have been the Jain to whom you referred) would suggest. Living in the moment is very difficult, however, when one has to consider others, and their moments.
It&#039;s this dichotomy that creates problems. &#039;Stuff&#039; - pursuing it, acquiring it, maintaining it and using it - certainly gets in the way of this, since so many of our actions and aspects of our existential reality are predicated on having the &#039;right stuff&#039; (with due acknowledgements to Tom Wolfe). I want to play golf, so I need ... ; I&#039;m going to grow stuff, so I need an allotment and some ... ; I&#039;m an e-learning leader so I need ...
Maybe it&#039;s your wife&#039;s comment that all your son sees you do is go on the computer that has triggered your self-examination. You want to live in the moment with and for everyone, but there aren&#039;t enough moments in the day. Two simple solutions offer themselves: 1. Live on your own and don&#039;t have anything to do with anyone, and 2. Don&#039;t ever sleep, and get your own stuff done at night.
Now, I have a feeling that neither of these may be appropriate. They certainly haven&#039;t worked for me.
The only thing that has is to constantly reschedule and reallocate things to try to keep my life in balance - and then accept that every so often I won&#039;t get things right. Just go for best fit.
Oh. And get a cat. Then when things aren&#039;t working properly you can kick it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dilemma is an interestingly familiar one: it&#8217;s all to do with the battle to determine what is &#8216;authentic existence&#8217; and what is extraneous clutter that obscures the transcendent reality. One answer is to live in the moment &#8211; it&#8217;s something that Satish Kumar (who may well have been the Jain to whom you referred) would suggest. Living in the moment is very difficult, however, when one has to consider others, and their moments.</p><p>It&#8217;s this dichotomy that creates problems. &#8216;Stuff&#8217; &#8211; pursuing it, acquiring it, maintaining it and using it &#8211; certainly gets in the way of this, since so many of our actions and aspects of our existential reality are predicated on having the &#8216;right stuff&#8217; (with due acknowledgements to Tom Wolfe). I want to play golf, so I need &#8230; ; I&#8217;m going to grow stuff, so I need an allotment and some &#8230; ; I&#8217;m an e-learning leader so I need &#8230;</p><p>Maybe it&#8217;s your wife&#8217;s comment that all your son sees you do is go on the computer that has triggered your self-examination. You want to live in the moment with and for everyone, but there aren&#8217;t enough moments in the day. Two simple solutions offer themselves: 1. Live on your own and don&#8217;t have anything to do with anyone, and 2. Don&#8217;t ever sleep, and get your own stuff done at night.</p><p>Now, I have a feeling that neither of these may be appropriate. They certainly haven&#8217;t worked for me.</p><p>The only thing that has is to constantly reschedule and reallocate things to try to keep my life in balance &#8211; and then accept that every so often I won&#8217;t get things right. Just go for best fit.</p><p>Oh. And get a cat. Then when things aren&#8217;t working properly you can kick it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Neil Adam</title><link>http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2009/08/31/a-week-of-divesting-an-introduction/comment-page-1/#comment-6002</link> <dc:creator>Neil Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/?p=2900#comment-6002</guid> <description>Hmm. Is this just digital de-cluttering? If it goes well, you could host a reality TV programme on it...
In principle, I&#039;m all for the idea, especially &quot;to live simply that others may simply live&quot;. (Can&#039;t remember where that cliched phrase comes from.) When helping empty my father-in-laws house, I suggested, &quot;If in doubt, whoosh&quot;. (ie. chuck it in the skip.) Meantime events move on and I&#039;m all but divorced, so I will be looking at doing some of the same - what don&#039;t I want? what is part of my &quot;old life&quot;? Very easy to think like it, much harder to do. I&#039;d love to take bags of stuff down the charity shop and get rid of all that stuff I kept &quot;just in case I&#039;ll need it again&quot;, but will I find the time? have the nerve?
But there&#039;s another big problem - in simplifying, are we just getting rid of perfectly good stuff in order to buy (fewer) replacements? eg. clearing the wardrobe sounds good, but does it also mean &quot;I&#039;ll have fewer things, but some stuff that feel more up to date&quot;. &#039;Cos then the danger is that we&#039;ll just clear out again in two years and buy more - consumerism without the track record.
At the moment, the &quot;altruistic&quot; side of it&#039;s a struggle, but the desire just to &quot;start again&quot; is strong, but gonna entail some serious replacement and re-decorating. At the end I hope to have a house that looks cleaner, brighter and less cluttered, but there is no doubt I will have paid a lot for it!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Is this just digital de-cluttering? If it goes well, you could host a reality TV programme on it&#8230;</p><p>In principle, I&#8217;m all for the idea, especially &#8220;to live simply that others may simply live&#8221;. (Can&#8217;t remember where that cliched phrase comes from.) When helping empty my father-in-laws house, I suggested, &#8220;If in doubt, whoosh&#8221;. (ie. chuck it in the skip.) Meantime events move on and I&#8217;m all but divorced, so I will be looking at doing some of the same &#8211; what don&#8217;t I want? what is part of my &#8220;old life&#8221;? Very easy to think like it, much harder to do. I&#8217;d love to take bags of stuff down the charity shop and get rid of all that stuff I kept &#8220;just in case I&#8217;ll need it again&#8221;, but will I find the time? have the nerve?</p><p>But there&#8217;s another big problem &#8211; in simplifying, are we just getting rid of perfectly good stuff in order to buy (fewer) replacements? eg. clearing the wardrobe sounds good, but does it also mean &#8220;I&#8217;ll have fewer things, but some stuff that feel more up to date&#8221;. &#8216;Cos then the danger is that we&#8217;ll just clear out again in two years and buy more &#8211; consumerism without the track record.</p><p>At the moment, the &#8220;altruistic&#8221; side of it&#8217;s a struggle, but the desire just to &#8220;start again&#8221; is strong, but gonna entail some serious replacement and re-decorating. At the end I hope to have a house that looks cleaner, brighter and less cluttered, but there is no doubt I will have paid a lot for it!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
