Comments on: 5 things School of Rock can teach us about real education http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/ Education. Technology. Productivity. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymoushttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-5894 Anonymous Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:36:00 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-5894 Its great to see something being done, but, our issues <a href="http://www.fidelity401k.net" rel="nofollow">fidelity 401k</a> are too large to fix. I think we have several more years of this before things turn around. Its great to see something being done, but, our issues fidelity 401k are too large to fix. I think we have several more years of this before things turn around.

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Doug Belshaw Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:21:15 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-428 Thanks Dan - I'm sure people will find that helpful. :) Thanks Dan – I’m sure people will find that helpful. :)

]]> By: Dan Moorhousehttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-427 Dan Moorhouse Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:54:38 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-427 Not based on the film (which I love) but this is based on a similar set of ideas to those which Doug has identified: http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/teachers/activitypacks/radio/publichealth_sunriseradiosession-1.doc Apologies for posting a boring (and long) lesson plan but I thought it may be handy to put something on here that shows how this sort of idea can be put together in a pedagogically sound manner. Students react extremely well to having creativity and personal expression embedded into their learning. The outcomes of that series of lessons was a Radio programme recorded and aired by a local station. Link to a recording of the programme if anyone is interested is http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/teachers/activitypacks/radio/radioprogramme_22march06.wma Not based on the film (which I love) but this is based on a similar set of ideas to those which Doug has identified:

http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/teachers/activitypacks/radio/publichealth_sunriseradiosession-1.doc

Apologies for posting a boring (and long) lesson plan but I thought it may be handy to put something on here that shows how this sort of idea can be put together in a pedagogically sound manner. Students react extremely well to having creativity and personal expression embedded into their learning. The outcomes of that series of lessons was a Radio programme recorded and aired by a local station. Link to a recording of the programme if anyone is interested is http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/teachers/activitypacks/radio/radioprogramme_22march06.wma

]]> By: Doug Belshawhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-425 Doug Belshaw Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:52:58 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-425 I'm glad you can all see what I saw in School of Rock! :-) <strong>@Nick:</strong> Thanks for the links! And you're absolutely right about teacher autonomy. There's not enough of it, which de-professionalizes us all. :-( <strong>@Ollie:</strong> I wanted to see Coach Carter when it was on the other day but missed it. I shall have to rent it. :-) <strong>@Adam:</strong> Mobile phone policies are the bane of my life. I've got into trouble before for 'undermining other staff'... I'm glad you can all see what I saw in School of Rock! :-)

@Nick: Thanks for the links! And you're absolutely right about teacher autonomy. There's not enough of it, which de-professionalizes us all. :-(

@Ollie: I wanted to see Coach Carter when it was on the other day but missed it. I shall have to rent it. :-)

@Adam: Mobile phone policies are the bane of my life. I've got into trouble before for 'undermining other staff'…

]]> By: Lisa Stevenshttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-426 Lisa Stevens Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:16:00 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-426 Haven't seen School of Rock but the 5 'lessons' make perfect sense! I'd cite Kindergarten Cop - the use of a whistle, structure and marching with small children is unrated! Seriously, in my experience, kids like to know where they are with you and a bit of structure is the basis for ad hoc creative subversion. Haven’t seen School of Rock but the 5 ‘lessons’ make perfect sense!

I’d cite Kindergarten Cop – the use of a whistle, structure and marching with small children is unrated! Seriously, in my experience, kids like to know where they are with you and a bit of structure is the basis for ad hoc creative subversion.

]]> By: OllieBrayhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-424 OllieBray Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:34:45 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-424 I love school of Rock! The other film that I really like (with an educational twist) is Coach Carter. I particularly like it as its based on a true story. I love school of Rock! The other film that I really like (with an educational twist) is Coach Carter. I particularly like it as its based on a true story.

]]> By: Adam Sutcliffehttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Adam Sutcliffe Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:48:59 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-422 Gulp. Just seeing my name mentioned in a comment makes me quiver. I too had similar thoughts when I first saw the film. I think students react well when there is an element of "risk" in thje classroom. On a couple of occasions I have had kids get out and use their phones in class to to record or share resources (bluetooth). There was definately a frisson amongst the students about explicitly doing something they really weren't supposed to, but with the backing of the teacher. Ewan McIntosh recently twittered a question about whether it was ethically correct to use phones in a class when the school rules forbade their presence. I felt I could justify their use as they helped to achieve an educational goal. Gulp. Just seeing my name mentioned in a comment makes me quiver. I too had similar thoughts when I first saw the film. I think students react well when there is an element of "risk" in thje classroom. On a couple of occasions I have had kids get out and use their phones in class to to record or share resources (bluetooth). There was definately a frisson amongst the students about explicitly doing something they really weren't supposed to, but with the backing of the teacher.
Ewan McIntosh recently twittered a question about whether it was ethically correct to use phones in a class when the school rules forbade their presence. I felt I could justify their use as they helped to achieve an educational goal.

]]> By: Nick Francishttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-423 Nick Francis Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:26:21 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-423 Very interesting observations on a fun feelgood film. I'm very lucky to be involved in a 'Smart' programme in my school where we focus on skills 8 lessons a fortnight w/ a y7 form. I recently did 'Music Smart' and did a mini take on the 'school of rock' or 'Eurovision' called 'A Song for Smart'. Pupils worked together in groups to create a song based on their experiences in the subject so far. They then had to sing together...it proved very surprising....a lot of pupils exceeded my expectations and then some. I expect the next step where they create instruments and put music to the winning song to be AS surprising! Very interesting observations on a fun feelgood film. I’m very lucky to be involved in a ‘Smart’ programme in my school where we focus on skills 8 lessons a fortnight w/ a y7 form.

I recently did ‘Music Smart’ and did a mini take on the ‘school of rock’ or ‘Eurovision’ called ‘A Song for Smart’.

Pupils worked together in groups to create a song based on their experiences in the subject so far. They then had to sing together…it proved very surprising….a lot of pupils exceeded my expectations and then some.

I expect the next step where they create instruments and put music to the winning song to be AS surprising!

]]> By: Damianhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-421 Damian Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:14:55 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-421 I've organized and performed in similar concert setups at my school, and I can't stress enough how much this does for students' self-esteem. I've had some kids perform who were very unmotivated and very withdrawn in school, but who come out of their shells with a guitar in their hands. It's so gratifying to see these kids get showered with praise by their teachers, which is something that never happens in the classroom for many of them. I've also had parents tell me that they can see the difference in how their children conduct themselves at home - more confident, more outgoing, etc. - after being a part of these shows. Impact of speaking to multiple intelligences and all that... I understand the point of the post was drawing out bigger-picture lessons, but I felt I needed to advocate for the rock as well. ;-) (wish there was an emoticon for a face melted by a face-melting solo) I've organized and performed in similar concert setups at my school, and I can't stress enough how much this does for students' self-esteem. I've had some kids perform who were very unmotivated and very withdrawn in school, but who come out of their shells with a guitar in their hands. It's so gratifying to see these kids get showered with praise by their teachers, which is something that never happens in the classroom for many of them.

I've also had parents tell me that they can see the difference in how their children conduct themselves at home – more confident, more outgoing, etc. – after being a part of these shows. Impact of speaking to multiple intelligences and all that…

I understand the point of the post was drawing out bigger-picture lessons, but I felt I needed to advocate for the rock as well. ;-) (wish there was an emoticon for a face melted by a face-melting solo)

]]> By: Kevinhttp://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/comment-page-1/#comment-420 Kevin Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:12:44 +0000 http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/01/27/5-things-school-of-rock-can-teach-us-about-real-education/#comment-420 It's funny to think about School of Rock as inspiration for the classroom. :) BUT, in the week after a long poetry unit with my sixth graders, I switch to teaching songwriting -- we look at recent pop and rock songs and talk about them, and then they have to write a missing verse from one of my songs. It's just one stanza. But, then, I bring in my electric guitar, amplifier, and set up the school PA system in my classroom, and I have my drum machine, and they come up and sing with me. Most definitely connect with the experience and some (less now, as years go on) say, We're doing School of Rock! It's a nice way to engage them as writers and performers. Kevin It’s funny to think about School of Rock as inspiration for the classroom. :)

BUT, in the week after a long poetry unit with my sixth graders, I switch to teaching songwriting — we look at recent pop and rock songs and talk about them, and then they have to write a missing verse from one of my songs. It’s just one stanza.
But, then, I bring in my electric guitar, amplifier, and set up the school PA system in my classroom, and I have my drum machine, and they come up and sing with me.

Most definitely connect with the experience and some (less now, as years go on) say, We’re doing School of Rock!

It’s a nice way to engage them as writers and performers.

Kevin

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